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u/Lunarmoan 11h ago
It looked like he stunned himself with that spear
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u/redwoodranger 10h ago
I don't think he's stunned, but I do think he's mastered the stop and instant reversal move.
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u/goldenfoxengraving 9h ago
I think you're right, orcas have incredible agility for their size. To me it just looks like the equivalent of an ice hockey player doing a side grind move to stop and turn to look at it. There was someone talking about a blood cloud saying it came from the orca but that's almost certainly from the large lump of sunfish that was left floating deeper down.
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u/gentlemantroglodyte 11h ago
Orcas: nature's other psychopaths
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u/DrinkYourWater69 11h ago
Dolphins are natures top sociopath and Orcas are just scaled up more creative members of the dolphin family.
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u/bonobomaster 11h ago
Humans are natures top sociopath by far, far, far, far, far...
While Dolphins are drug consuming rapists, they at least have no concentration camps, no nuclear bombs, no billionaires, no pollution etc.
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u/MongolianCluster 11h ago
They would if they could.
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u/mrniceguy777 11h ago
Lol ya people always like to cite smart animals as being more like morally superior to us, as if monkeys wouldn't immediately shoot people if you give them a machine gun.
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u/xLambadix 9h ago
Did you see the matrix movie? The scene where the agent explains to Morpheus how only humans don't live in harmony with their environment. Other animals would never exploit nature according to him.
That always baffled me - it's complete nonsense! The only reason why an animal won't exploit all natural resources is because something else is keeping it in check. In other words: They are just weak af :D11
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u/mrniceguy777 9h ago
Ya the whole argument falls apart when you learn that animals have gone extinct from other animals.
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u/onanoc 9h ago
I just had this argument today.
It's like: human bad, nature good.
But mostly everything humans do wrong, has been done before by other animals. It'S tHeiR nAtuRe! Yeah, like, we don't have a nature or something.
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u/heavy_jowles 9h ago
If a chimp could use an automatic rifle it ABSOLUTELY would.
People hem and haw over how terrible humans are, cuz we are, but there are other animals that are far worse. If chimps had the intelligence we had they’d be far far worse as overlords. They’re terrifying.
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u/semaj_2026 10h ago
Came here to say this. If there was an Atlantis uprising to take out the “ground people”, they would be the first.
And let’s not forget the penguin raping Seals
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u/Mean-Bathroom-6112 11h ago
They’re just apex hunters
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u/Beautiful_Nobody_344 10h ago
Nah did you see the way the one orca swam in delight through the meat debris.
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u/SurayaThrowaway12 11h ago
Various orcas likely target sunfishes (molids), particularly their intestines, for their high water content.
Essentially, sunfishes are the equivalent of juicy, refreshing watermelons to orcas. Orcas can eat sunfish entrails and metabolize them into a drink. The flesh and other internal organs of molids also have high water content, but the intestines are long and occupy much of the molid's abdominal cavity, so they are removed first. It is also likely that molid flesh and entrails have significant nutritional value to orcas, though there doesn't seem to be existing data supporting this.
The pod of orcas in the video are Eastern Tropical Pacific (ETP) orcas seen off of Baja California Sur in Mexico.
ETP orcas may have quite generalist diets consisting of but not limited to sharks, rays, sea turtles, other dolphins, fin fishes, and larger whales. However, there may ultimately be multiple "ecotypes" of ETP orcas which may specialize in or prefer hunting different types of prey species. Certain pods also may specialize in hunting sharks, while others may specialize in hunting dolphins, for example.
Original video filmed by Héctor Franz (creaturesofbaja) on Baja Pelágica expeditions.
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u/AwwYeahVTECKickedIn 11h ago
The wild reality that Orcas are essentially hunting drinks while literally living in water.
Nature is lit!
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u/AmericanSpaceRanger 11h ago
Orcas get most of their water from their food which provides metabolic water, but they also possess specialized kidneys to process saltwater if they ingest it, allowing them to survive in the marine environment without needing to drink freshwater.
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u/hudson27 9h ago
Wait.. do ALL mammals living in the ocean need to drink freshwater in one form or another? I never thought about it but it makes sense
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u/scikit-learns 9h ago
All animals need " fresh water" to a certain extent. They are just evolved to process the salt content into something usable for their organs.
Salt water is toxic to most animals cause it pulls water out of cells.
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u/AndroidAtWork 8h ago
They get it from other metabolic processes, like breaking down fats. The metabolic process will break the fats into different kinds of molecules, including water.
My biochemistry professor in college was very emphatic about this. "Polar bears cannot drink water because they don't have sinks." And then explained the biochemistry going on behind the lack of sinks to drink water from.
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u/NH4NO3 8h ago
idk how literal they meant by that, but polar bears can totally drink water, and the arctic does have 'sinks' probably more than most any other place in the form of melt ponds that form on the surface of ice floes during the summer.
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u/AndroidAtWork 7h ago
I mean, obviously they can drink water. He just pointed out that even when water wasn't fully available, there was a metabolic source that they've evolved.
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u/PlaquePlague 10h ago
If you sprayed freshwater into their mouths would they like it?
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u/shwhjw 8h ago edited 4h ago
I feel like I saw that in Free Willy and the answer is yes.
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u/wabiguan 10h ago
if an Orca calls you a tall drink of water, don’t be flattered, you’re about to be splattered.
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u/cubinox 10h ago
But why explode it into smithereens?
Doesn’t that make it harder to get all those juicy bits?
Isn’t nature all about minimizing effort and maximizing intake?
I know orcas do seemingly devious shit by natures standards because it’s “fun” but man, so many questions.
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u/SurayaThrowaway12 10h ago
The orcas here may have already started to tear apart the sunfish beforehand and removed some of its desirable organs (e.g. the intestines, which they often target in sunfishes), which would have made it fairly "structurally compromised" already before the other orca rammed into it.
The orca that rammed into the sunfish appears to be a juvenile/subadult, so it may have just been playing.
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u/theLuminescentlion 7h ago
Different orca pods in different areas eat completely different diets too and have different cultural norms around it.
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u/catsumoto 11h ago
To shreds, you say?
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u/2nd2lastdodo 11h ago
How is his wife?
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u/BoomBoomMeow1986 10h ago
Dammit, I wanted to eat that sunfish!
(Retreats to the Angry Dome)
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u/ThePensiveE 10h ago
They didn't earn the name Killer Whales for being cute and cuddly.
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u/soccerpuma03 9h ago
The name was originally "whale killers"
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Why-Are-Orcas-Called-Killer-Whalesq
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u/Any-Literature5546 9h ago
Did anyone actually see the sunfish? All I saw was one two then three orcas. I need to get my eyes checked. Was the sunfish the cloud? I could not see the alleged ramming
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u/PiersPlays 8h ago
At the beginning one of the orcas appears to be holding the sunfish in it's mouth until the other one rams through and destroys it.
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u/Sickofchildren 6h ago
They’re seriously doing fucking trick shots with each other for fun, while killing a sunfish lmao
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u/ASouthernDandy 11h ago edited 3h ago
Sunfish are basically floating dinner plates. They can get to over 2 tonnes, eat a ton of jellyfish, and spend ages just “sunbathing” at the surface to warm up and let birds pick parasites off them.
Ann Widdecombe has a similar warm-up routine before one of her documentaries attacking people in hoodies: https://youtu.be/dKwaEBW3yfw
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u/kaielias 11h ago
Yea they have like no meat
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u/chocolateboomslang 8h ago
Almost no muscle, still a LOT of protein. Animals eat the whole body. Cartilage, membranes, guts, all on the menu.
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u/SignoreBanana 8h ago
2 tons?!
Edit: just looked it up and apparently the largest ever caught was over 6000 lbs.
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u/DrRichardShaftPhD 8h ago
let birds pick parasites off them.
They are probably the most parasitized fish there is. If you ever get a chance to see or handle one up close, they are fucking gross, absolutely riddled with all manner of parasites and open wounds from birds digging them out and stuff taking bites out of them.
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u/ExtraEmuForYou 11h ago
Why do orcas always seem like they're being jerks?
I know they have to eat, but they could just chomp on that fish. Do they really need to explode it and then swim in the entrails?
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u/Chandler15 11h ago
Orcas are notoriously sadistic. If “playing with your food” were an animal, it’d be an orca.
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u/idkwhatimbrewin 10h ago
We are so lucky they do not eat humans for some reason
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u/Cephalopirate 10h ago
Game recognizes game.
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u/SurayaThrowaway12 5h ago
I have seen this phrase posted quite a few times regarding orca-human interactions, and it actually may be fairly accurate.
A fairly well-established hypothesis is that orcas, as highly cultural animals that are usually very selective and conservative predators, don't see humans as being potential prey in the first place. They learn what to eat from their mothers and other podmates. Fish-eating resident orcas won't eat mammals, even when malnourished.
However, just because orcas don't see an animal as being potential prey does not necessarily mean they are averse to harming or killing such animals for other reasons.
So, another reason why wild orcas are not interested in harming humans may be due to them having theory of mind.
Here is what whale researcher Jared Towards and neuroscientist Dr. Lori Marino have to say, taken from an article on the phenomenon of wild orcas sharing food with humans:
"They’re taking something they do amongst themselves and spreading that goodwill to another species," says Lori Marino at New York University, who wasn’t involved in the study.
Towers says this demonstrates that orcas are capable of generalised altruism, or kindness. It also shows that orcas can recognise sentience in others and are curious and bold enough to experiment across species, he says.
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He also says the behaviour demonstrates that orcas have theory of mind, the ability to understand that others have distinct mental states that differ from one’s own.
As is also stated by Towers:
"There’s not many other wild creatures out there with enough intellect, resources or guts to test us like this which suggests some convergent evolution between our kinds and highlights that next level respect should be exercised in the ways we interact with them."
Having theory of mind doesn't guarantee an orca won't harm a human; after all, humans have theory of mind, but still can do horrible things to other people. But it would mean that orcas see humans as being quite different from their prey and other animals. They may recognize that humans also have our own different perspectives and that we also may also be another highly social and intelligent lifeform. Also, unlike other sea creatures, humans may represent a realm (dry land) which orcas do not have access to, so perhaps this could make them more curious and perhaps cautious around people.
There have been extensive historic relationships between humans and orcas, the most famous of which was Old Tom's pod forming a cooperative relationship with whalers in Eden, Australia. Both Aboriginal and western whalers cooperated with these orcas in Twofold Bay, New South Wales. The orcas would alert the whalers to the presence of baleen whales in the area by breaching or tailslapping near the cottages of the Davidson family. The orcas would also often assist in the hunt itself. After a whale was harpooned, some orcas would even grab the ropes with their teeth to assist the human whalers in hauling.
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u/Superdupernadja 7h ago
we used to hunt together with them. It more like we are old bros. They most likely still know this, since its only 150 years ago give or take, and they have long lifespans, and language, and share tales inbetween generations.
If you want to know more about this google law of tongue
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u/FaultedSidewalk 10h ago
It's not "some reason", we know the reason, we did a number on the collective whale psyche during the height of the Whaling industry and whales are known to pass down information between generations. They know not to fuck with us weird seals because we can and will kill them in their homes. Sperm whales completely changed their birth/child rearing practices in response to human pressure from whaling, and we still see them practice this today after the practice of whaling has been mostly eliminated. If one of these pods started actually hunting and killing people, it'd be a death knell for, at the very least, the entire pod, if not the whole species.
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u/SonicSubculture 10h ago
What if it's just confirmation bias... any time they HAVE attacked humans... they leave no witnesses.
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u/12InchCunt 10h ago
I like the sci fi idea of them having genetic memories so it’s not just legends of the weird water monkeys it’s actual memories
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u/brennanr10 10h ago
Genetic memory isn’t sci fi it’s real brother. They just proved it’s how birds know where to migrate to
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u/AnyBug1039 9h ago
And why I'm scared of spiders in a country that has no poisonous spiders.
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u/Xchop2200 9h ago
except our connection to orcas is way different in this regard
killer whale itself is a inversion of the original name: whale killer, and that's what they were, orcas hunt and kill whales, even very large ones
now that brings us to human whaling, which for the orcas wasn't some kind of dramatic irony where suddenly they were hunted, far from, instead orcas actively cooperated with whaling vessels leading them to whale pods where they benefited from the chaos of humans hunting whales to more easily hunt whales themselves
the death knell thing is less about fear being baked into them through whaling, and more that they recognize us as fellow apex predators and generally speaking apex predators don't willingly go after other apex predators because that's a shitshow
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u/thedifferentroad 10h ago
actually, they are lucky. Sharks, Wolves, Bears etc got killed en masse for posing a (sometimes only imagined) threat to people. Would definitely be harder because the ocean is vast and Orcas are smart, but we are smarter and meaner
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u/popcornfart 10h ago
Maybe we should rename them. "Killer whales" has a nice ring to it
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u/CopingAdult 11h ago
After all that I have read and seen about them, at this point, I'm pretty sure they are just bored and fucking around.
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u/ProtectionAdorable89 11h ago
I’d rather explode in an instant than get ripped apart piece by piece slowly
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u/stefanopolis 10h ago
Yeah this only looks bad to us but that fish got insta-gibbed. Can’t think of a more humane death than that. Pretty nice of the orca considering the alternatives.
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u/bigpproggression 11h ago
If it aint broke don’t fix it.
They are terrifying. A lot of things are. We are lucky to be human.
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u/redperril91 10h ago
Sunfish have developed to have basically zero nutritional value in the uttermost parts of its body, its mostly just extra skin that tastes horrible. Its possible the orca wanted to get at its innards and bypass the disgusting outer parts. Google sunfish.
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u/Vantriss 9h ago
I wish I could read the mind of the first orca to ram a sunfish. It was probably the most exciting thing they'd ever experienced. A fish exploding like a fucking piñata.
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u/CoolBlackSmith75 11h ago
Sunfish usually don't give a hoot about a few nibs and bites, but now there is nothing left to not give a hoot about
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u/Steak_Knight 11h ago
It’s a baby fackin’ wheeeeel, Jay! I think it’s hurt, Jay! We gotta call the aquarium!
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u/Santas_southpole 9h ago
Dude just gave himself a concussion spearing the most helpless animal in the ocean.
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u/mothman117 11h ago
Just be grateful they somehow haven't done this to every human they see.
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u/ImportantOption6830 10h ago
Wouldn't be surprised if they're fully aware on humans capacity to fuck them up
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u/Blackhawk_Talon 9h ago
Knowing sunfish that meat cloud still has bits that think it’s alive and well.
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u/neoslith 10h ago
Has anyone ever seen that clip of the bird being annihilated by a 90-mph fastball?
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u/YouDaManInDaHole 8h ago
By exploding it, they've now created a food cloud that other fish/prey will be attracted to. They'll then eat the fish this food cloud has attracted.
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u/FraggleBiologist 1h ago
Did they eat any of it or did they just do it so the one could play in its guts like a sicko?
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u/Zach_The_One 1h ago
First orca held it's tail so the sunfish couldn't swim away, literally teed up the other orca. Some savage team work which tells me this isn't the first time or last time they'll do this.
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u/Big_Gassy_Possum 11h ago
It exploded into a meat cloud